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The U. Exact statistics about the dancers who work in them are hard to come by, though. The interview that follows has been lightly edited for length and clarity. Adrienne Green: How did you get into exotic dancing? Liza: I started dancing five years ago.

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I was a student at the time doing a hour-a-week unpaid internship and working at the local mall. I have degrees in psychology and theater. I could not afford to eat, so it became a last resort.

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It was actually a joke between my friends and me. That'd be funny. I went about getting the job in an unconventional way. I called a couple of times and the manager was never there, so I just went in. I showed up dressed in fishnets, a garter belt underneath my underwear, and boots, which is weird, because I literally looked like a hooker.

I have dance experience. He gave me an audition, and it was full nude. It was terrifically embarrassing, but he gave me the job. I tried that. I just always ended up going back to dancing, because I wasn't happy with the way that management [at the other jobs] ran things. Liza: I was pretty much my own boss. I could decide when and how much I wanted to work. If I went to work one day and I didn't really feel like working that hard, it was on me. As long as I paid the club what I owed them, it wasn't a big deal.

Liza: Largely, dancers are not actual employees of the club. They're independent contractors. When we go into work, some clubs [ask you to] call in, most of them have scheduling, but sometimes you can just walk in. There's always a house fee or a space-rental fee. You also have to pay the DJ and the house mom, who's kind of like the dressing room manager, because they often don't get a paycheck either.

Basically we are paying to work there. As long as they get their money, they don't care.

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Green: What is a typical shift or week like? Liza: Every club is different, but there is an eight-hour shift at most of the clubs that I've worked at. You can be on the floor as much as you want or not. If you wanted to you could sit in the dressing room the entire time. Or, you can be out there talking to people and making money. There are a few clubs in Las Vegas where you can show up literally whenever you want and then leave. If you can get in there and work for three hours and make the money that you need, you're good to go.

Green: Would you consider the fees that you have to pay to the clubs a ificant part of the money you would otherwise get to take home? Liza: It depends on the season and on the day. It's like being a waitress or being a bartender. Some nights you can walk out of there with a bunch of money and some nights you can walk out with next to nothing.

It just depends on what's going on. Summer time is typically a lot slower in strip clubs. People are with their families or going on vacation. Around [fall], things start to pick up considerably. During the holidays people want to go out, drink, and party. People are sick and tired of some things, and they want to get away.

It's an escapism business. Liza: With the advent of the internet, it's a lot easier to get Wanna get paid we need strippers or web-cam girls at your house for free most of the time. In my state and in my club it is illegal to do sexual favors; prostitution is illegal. If you are caught doing any of that, you are immediately terminated. For the most part, the people who come into strip clubs are looking for companionship, and someone to talk to.

It has been more and more difficult over the past five years to be compensated for such services in a way that is lucrative and reliable. A lot of people don't come out for the companionship anymore. They can get it in other ways for much cheaper. That's happened a lot more. Liza: The clientele has definitely shifted. I really wish I knew what was going on there, so I could shift whatever I'm doing.

They think we're there for fun. A lot of times I hear from clients, "Oh what are you going to do for this dollar? I'm not working here for my health. We don't really get a lot of people who are paying customers anymore. We get a lot of people who are looking for girlfriends.

Green: Do you think that people consider your job as an exotic dancer the same way they do the work of people with more conventional jobs? Liza: Absolutely not. There's no respect for what we do. It isn't viewed as a respectable job.

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There are so many stereotypes about exotic dancers: They are drug addicts, or uneducated, or come from a poor background, or have daddy issues, and that's why they do it. In reality, it's literally the exact same thing. I show up, I go to work, I get ready, and I do my job dealing with people.

The stage might as well be my office.

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There are co-workers that I like more than others, but I still have to work with them. We face the same things that you would find in a traditional job, but most clients recently have been treating us as if we embody the stereotype. Green: You work alongside other women, but most of the management and your clientele are men. Do those gender dynamics ever affect your work?

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Liza: All of the dancers are women. DJ's and managers for the most part are men, though I have seen many more women becoming DJ's and managers. To be perfectly honest with you, you get both extremes. You get the men in management positions who get it. They understand what you're doing, they respect the work that you're putting in, and support you. If there's a guy that comes in and he's gropey, he gets kicked out immediately. You also get the managers who are kind of misogynistic and unfortunately there's nobody to go to.

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